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Re: [lojban] na'e vs no'e/to'e



Maybe door isn't a good example of what he was looking for with case 2.

How about.... man, real world booleans are hard to come by.

le prenu cu morsi gi'a to'e morsi

In this case, I would expect {to'e morsi} to be equivalent to {na'e morsi} since if a person is not morsi, then they must be alive.  So to be "not morsi" (regardless of whether it's just the usual 'not' or if it's the 'polar opposite not') is to be alive.

I guess in this case it would be kind of absurd to speak of {no'e morsi}.  I guess you could reserve that for talking about zombies and such.  .u'i

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Saturday 04 December 2010 11:15:59 tijlan wrote:
> How significant is "na'e" in relation to "no'e" and "to'e"?
>
>
> CASE 1 -- when both the scalar extremities and the midpoint are
> semantically clear:
>
> ti no'e blabi
> This is neither white nor black.
>
> ti na'e blabi
> This is other than white.

lo to'e blabi cu xekri .i lo no'e blabi cu grusi .i lo na'e blabi cu xunre ja
crino ja blanu jaco'e

> CASE 2 -- when the scalar extremities but not the midpoint are semantically
> clear:
>
> ti no'e kalri
> This is neither open nor closed.
>
> ti na'e kalri
> This is other than open.

"no'e kalri" is "ajar", but "na'e kalri" could mean ajar or closed. A door's
positions all lie on a scale from open to closed. Is there something else
which can be kalri ja ganlo but also has other positions?

> CASE 3 -- when neither the scalar extremities nor the midpoint are
> semantically clear:
>
> ti no'e plise
> This is neither an apple nor a tol-apple.
>
> ti na'e plise
> This is other than an apple.

lo krataigo .e lo perli .e lo fagjesyspa cu no'e plise. I also use "no'e"
with "smani"; lo norsmani is a strepsirrhine. "tolplise" and "tolsmani" make
no sense to me.

Pierre
--
La sal en el mar es más que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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