Re: [lojban] Tanru automatically forming

[Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>]

At the quoted response in particular: what? The simplest bridi would have no tanru; all the sumti would be LE GISMU, and the selbri would also be GISMU. Under this system a typical sentence would look like {lo broda brode lo brodi lo brodo}.

More generally:
From the logical perspective, this argument makes a degree of sense; saying "sumti ends here" or "predicate starts here" does make more sense than saying "tanru begins here". 

However, from a cmavo count perspective, this isn't really the case; you could write an entire paragraph without ever forming a tanru, quite easily, and in the meantime the majority of the sentences would have a {cu}. The main disadvantage (and I thought about this after I sent my original email, actually) is that some select sentences wind up having a LOT of cmavo, and in fact a lot of repeated cmavo. 

For default grouping in particular, there's a pretty easy fix for this that I didn't think about: have the {ja'ei} go out in front. Then you only need one {ja'ei} to group a bunch of selbri into a tanru with the default grouping. I think this would probably be necessary even when using {ke} and friends (so you'd see {ja'ei broda ke brode brodi} and so on) but maybe not.

The problem with {ja'ei} out in front is with situations that are currently treated by saying {lo broda brode cu brodi}. Then you really would be adding cmavo, because you'd have to say {lo ja'ei broda brode cu brodi}. But only in that case would you be adding cmavo; I'm fairly sure that the net number of cmavo would still be lower.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com> wrote:

2010/12/26 Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>

{lo gerku cu klama} is more common than {lo gerku klama cu bajra}.

Even simplest bridi have only one place for "cu", but 2..6 for a tanru. So, exchanging [0..1] cu  with [2..6] "ja'ei"(or whatever) is a waste of brevity.

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