Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language)

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I think we are at cross purposes here.  I say that the rules for shifting from 
Lojban surface to pred log deep are mostly fairly straightforward.  You say that 
getting the changes (mainly, it seems, specifications) needed to work with the 
remaining cases would be politically difficult (or, at least, involve convincing 
Robin).  Of course, as in the days before Robin's imperatorship, changes can and 
will be made without telling anyone, everyone picking them up on the fly (see 
the last decade, at least).



----- Original Message ----
From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:53:37 PM
Subject: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken!  Stop saying that!  (was Re: [lojban] Re: 
Vote for the Future Global Language)

John E Clifford, On 06/01/2011 20:43:
>> Efforts along this line tend to involve and idealized
>> representational language, almost all of which end up looking a lot like 
first
>> order predicate logic, meaning that the crucial step in the process from
> Lojban
>> form to meaning would be -- with a few caveats -- a snap.
>
> Hopefully it would be a snap, but it's these rules that the formal
> definition/specification of the language requires, and not the formal grammar
> (save for whichever bits of the formal grammar are necessary for the
> form--meaning correspondence rules). Regarding the question of whether it 
would
> indeed be a snap, the requisite rules would in most cases need to be invented,
> so there'd be a political difficulty at least as much as a linguistic one.
>
> **I'm not following here.  What is the political difficulty in given obvious
> rules for untangled conjoined terms or predicates or even blobs like 
briditail.
> There are some less than obvious places, to be sure, but doing the first bit 
is
> already more than we can do -- even by hand -- for any other language.

Until Robin assumed his dictatorial powers recently, it was politically 
impossible to get any change implemented.  


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