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Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that!

>Your point is well taken that languages drift, particularly if used by the workers, peasants and soldiers.  Even so, the scope for drift in >grammar and syntax is limited because the grammar is so well defined.  I would expect to see more drift in phoneme sounds and in >the usage of words, just as we see in natural languages such as English.
That depends highly on what length of period we are talking about. Given enough time, drift in grammar and syntax will occur, gradually more and more, with phonemes and the usage of words being a major reason for this. If two or more words begin sounding more like each other, the grammar and syntax will change to reduce ambiguity, and so forth. Also I would dispute that 'workers, peasants, and soldiers' are more likely to be the groups in which language change occurs. RP in England only really formulated in the second half of the 19th century, and is beginning to disappear, and it's closely associated with the upper classes, 'public schools' and the media. It's possible to follow changes in upper class dialects fairly closely over the past few hundred years just because their speech is more likely to be recorded and discussed and it does in fact change like any other dialect.
 
Sorry if this sounds snippish.
2011/1/5 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Jim Carter <jimc@math.ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> I haven't been doing too much lately with Lojban, but back in the Loglan
> days I translated about 10,000 words of text into Loglan while creating only
> four new brivla (torus, to use in "bagel"; noodle; bear (the animal,
> which wasn't in old Loglan); and oar).  All the rest could be represented
> by lujvo, if I looked carefully in the word list.

In the "lo nu binxo" translation (26.565 words) the only brivla I used
were gismu, no lujvo and no fu'ivla. I did it sort of as an
experiment, so see if it could be done, and I was quite pleased with
the result.

(Actually, I did use one lujvo and one fu'ivla, anyone interested in
knowing which ones will have to read the translation :)

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=lo+nu+binxo

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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