Re: [lojban] Idea: Levels

[Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>]

My new learning system will involve a level structure similar to what
you've said. It's in the works.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On grammatical grasp. there are two old criteria.  1.  Grasp of simple sentence
> structure -  can they get all the pieces in place in a simple sentence. 2. how
> many transformations from underlying (surface) structures (or to) does the most
> complex sentence contain.  This latter is quantifiable and so proably is the
> first.   One might want to add some qualitative matters, since some
> transformations are inherently more opaque than others and the notion of "simple
> sentence" is probably open to a range of interpretations.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 9:20:30 PM
> Subject: [lojban] Idea: Levels
>
> coirodo
>
> I've been thinking for a long time this idea, and I wanted to write it
> down in order to discuss it (and not to forgive it). What if we
> stablish some:
>
>
> *Levels* (beginner, intermediate, expert...)
>
>
> I know, it's really obvious this was discussed before, but I think I
> have something larger in mind.
>
> (this is the obvious part)
> A level shall be a series of contents, or concepts of lojban grammar,
> along with a quantity of minimum vocabulary. There would be 3 or more
> levels (the more, the better), in ascending order of difficulty.
>
> (this may be not)
> A level shall be very well defined. With this I mean to enumerate the
> possible grammar structures that can be in a lojban text readable for
> a student of the level. The vocabulary for that level should be
> divided in the existing categories (gismu, cmavo, lujvo...), and
> establish a subset of those words.
>
> For (a toy) example, a beginner should know:
>
> - gismu, and the place structure.
> - how to say his name.
>
> And the subset of words:
>
> gismu = {klama, blanu, zdani}
> cmavo = {mi'e, i, coi}
>
> This way, it's easy to say whether a text would be readable for a
> beginner or not. It would be *so* easy, that a program could do that.
> So, we could make a program that classifies the entire lojban corpus.
> (this occurred to me when I was looking for a text to read, so I could
> practice a little, but I always had a difficult concept (actually,
> vocabulary is not a problem, since I could search in a dictionary))
>
>
> The advantages of this:
> - Having a classified corpus would be beneficial for people writing a textbook.
> - Also for them, the levels should be a good place to start.
> - Homogenization. If many are attracted by this, and start writing
> (or modifying) many textbooks, the topics between books could be
> interchangeable for students.
>
>
> The enumeration of vocabulary for each level should be easy. For each
> group of words (gismu, cmavo, lujvo...), we could order them by
> frequency (I think I saw something like that with gismu), and
> establish limits there.
>
> The enumeration of grammar is the tricky one. If you like the idea, we
> should discuss the number of levels, and the contents of them.
>
>
> I think it could be easy for me, if someday this levels grow up and
> become usable, to modify some of the existing parsers into a
> classifier.
>
> If I remember something else, I'll post it. In the meantime, I'd like
> to know what you think about this.
>
> mu'o mi'e .leos.
>
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