Re: [lojban] Omegawiki and jbovlaste

[".alyn.post." <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org>]

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:35:46AM -0800, najrut wrote:
>    Has anyone considered developing lojban part of Omegawiki ? It has one
>    main advantage over jbovlaste, namely definitions of most words have been
>    already written into it.
> 
>    Fulfiling lojbanic part of Omegawiki means that we point lojbanic
>    definitions to most languages at once.
> 
>    Below is the definition of Omegawiki.
> 
>    OmegaWiki is not based on "words", but on the concept of Defined
>    Meaning^[1][^2]:
> 
>      A DefinedMeaning is a combination of an Expression and a Definition;
>      an Expression being a given graphic form (Spelling) associated with a
>      given Language; and a Definition being the concept expressed by this
>      Expression restated in one or several sentences.
>      To a DefinedMeaning may be attached Translated Definitions, that is a
>      translation adhering as closely as possible to the concept as described
>      by the First Definition. Ideally all Translated Definitions should be
>      translations directly from the First Definition to minimize semantic
>      drift, though most likely in practice this will not always be the case.
> 
>    http://omegawiki.org/
> 

I've worked with this site a fair bit today.

Pros:

 * It's much more than a dictionary.  We get a lot of stuff for
   free.  It's (trying to be) part of mediawiki's Semantic Wiki
   software ecosystem.
 * The above is actually helpful for me in writing definitions.
 * It's fun to use, more fun that jbovlaste in my subjective
   experience.

Cons:

 * It's slow.  This is not only my subjective experience but a topic
   of discussion under "Taboo subjects" on the site talk page.
 * It's much more than a dictionary.  There is a lot of stuff in the
   way of writing definitions.  This means there isn't one screen to
   attach all of the required data (word type, definition, &c) but
   several.  As well, getting the full definition
 * It doesn't have voting, only discussion.  This usage differs from
   jbovlaste.
 * The community is very small.  I finally managed to raise someone
   on IRC today but the channel has been quiet all day.  Two different
   developers have granted permission to various parts of the website,
   however.

In order to do any sort of bulk-upload, we'd have to map Lojban
words to OmegaWiki defined meanings.  There isn't any way to do a
bulk upload without first pre-processing the data and associating
defined meanings.  That probably represents a fair amount of work.

-Alan
-- 
.i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du

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