Re: [lojban] Re: coi ro do i mi cnino i dai ui

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Dank <dankaivel@gmail.com> wrote:

hi, since i see everybody here talks in english, and not lojban, i ll
do the same, but i actually would prefer talking in lojban for the
sake of learning lojban. By the way in twitter i will only speak
lojban, =). the same goes with youtube, if someday i open an account
there . So i will only speak english here , and in the begineers
lojban group, to make it easier to communicate, and yep, also for make
it easier to learn. Also i would like to say, that it may be
interesting teaching lojban in lojban. I look forward to learn lojban
=).

You're perfectly welcome to speak in Lojban on here. Some of us actually prefer it. Also, there's a moderated, Lojban-only group called xedbig, where the only rules are that you must speak in Lojban and you are not allowed to correct anyone else's, except to ask what they meant when you can't guess it.

answers:
1. rerere-reading it
2. .i
3. dank
4. la .dank.

If you want to save some typing, you might want to consider eliminating spaces adjacent to denpabu, as in {.i.aicai ro'e.u'u}

5. what is a gadri? i like peculiar things

gadri are the articles, the most common of which are lo, la, and lu, in that order. (This is not observation, not fact.) Basically, anything that turns some kind of valsi into a sumti is a gadri.

6. yep, thats what i mean.
7. yeah, i mean that too.
8. i know, but i miss this often. hope remember it next time.
9. well, yeah , i mean that.
X. XD i dont understand this. i guess there really exist x2

Well, there's {zo'e broda zo'e ... gau zo'e}. That introduces a place for an agent. Most gismu have two, a lot have more, but there are a few that have only one. Some of them are easy to remember, like {blanu}: "x1 is blue".

E. it means empathy hapiness. sort of letting a free interpretation
for the reader, whatever with empathy and hapiness. =).

I believe Lindar was confused because dai goes after, not before. {.uidai} Also, dai isn't empathy, it's empathetic, as in "I feel your pain." It's not an attitudinal, it's a modifier like sai and cu'e.

by the way. hello pierre, hello lindar, and if luke bergen is around,
hello luke, are Go match is going good, :).
also i dont like the irc channel, too much time. i prefer turnbased
things, like here or twitter.
So i look forward to the lojban things and lojban community, strong
empathy, i mean DAISAI. =).

On 28 feb, 21:54, Lindar <lindartheb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi there! I'm excited to see a new face on the mailing list! We have plenty
> of questions, we've got a beginners
>

> 1. Please read and reread and re-reread these lessons on Lojban<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mjMlyQfAd_yVLv6Npp_cqshQpa9hxksqo...>

> .
> 2. The denpabu (full-stop) goes -before- a vowel, not after; please make
> sure you do this for every vowel-starting word.
> 3. Names are not capitalised; if you want to spell your name the way you do
> in whatever your native language is, you must use la'o or la'oi.
> 4. Names in Lojban are surrounded by dots (a rule we call 'dotside'); my
> name is {la .lindar.} in Lojban.
> 5. {le} is no longer the default gadri, so your use of {le} seems very
> peculiar, especially at "le nu".
> 6. What is a {cnino kucli}? "Unfamiliar thing-being-curious." ?
> 7. What is a "cunso notci"? "Unpredictable note." ?
> 8. {la .tuitr.} is the best approximation. {.ter.} is pronounced like
> English "tear" (verb sense, as in 'tearing paper'), so {.tuiter.} sounds
> very strange. R can be syllabic in Lojban.
> 9. *{i mi ca'a cnino je'u le nu lojbo} translates to something like "I'm
> actually unfamiliar to being Lojbanic.", which sounds okay in English, but
> means more like, "Being Lojbanic is not familiar with me.". The unfamiliar
> thing is the x1 of {cnino} and the unfamiliar thing is the x2.
> X. Your past use of {cfari} is incorrect. The definition is "x1
> starts/begins.". There is no place for an agent. A more correct way to
> express this is like {mi co'a broda} "I'm starting to broda.".
> E. What is {dai ui} meant to indicate?

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