Re: [lojban] "part of things" fallacy

On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, neither cars nor planes are symmmetrical in the desired way, but I take
this is not really the point, which is to make a case for non-integer numrical
internal quantifiers. As for the "part of things" fallacy, I don't see how it
is made, since we explicitly make the distinction wherever needed. To the main
point, however, I need only(I hope) that the internal quantifiers are cardinals,
a count ot things, which -- some popular usage to the contrary notwithstanding
-- can only be by wholes. What we can do in Lojjban is make parts (pagbu?) the
wholes which are counted. So one pie may also be represented as 8 slices or one
plane as a left half and a right (somewhat less naturally) and so on, as
needed. I seem to recall their are yet other devices for doing this, but am
still flying blind.

----- Original Message ----
From: Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>
To: lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 8:49:21 AM
Subject: [lojban] "part of things" fallacy

Hello,

I read in the "lo no" thread that there was a "part of things"
fallacy. Imho, this is only due to a "holistic" property of selbri,
that is : an assertion can be valid concerning a sum of things without
the same assertion holding for each things (parts).

For instance, let's say A is a half-car, and B the symmetrical other
half of the car, then A+B is the complete car,

and :

A does not ride
B does not ride
but
A+B rides

There was a point whether rational numbers should be regarded as
(possible) non-null quantitative, I think this should be the case when
the thing that it refers to is parted symmetrically.

For instance, a plane has a plane (no pun intended) of symmetry, so
speaking of a 1/2 plane is valid to me, provided the plane is cut
along its symmetry plane.

Similarly, you would speak of p/n applepie.

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