Re: [lojban] non-ka properties

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>]

doi djan


On 18 June 2011 13:47, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 1:05:34 AM
> Subject: [lojban] non-ka properties
>
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> These non-ka properties might not be, e.g., neither of
> * se ckaji
> * se simlu
> * se sisku
> which are ka-specific. However, I believe that, depending on
> their specific nature, they might be either of
>
> By ""ka specific", I take it you mean "have ka mentioned in the definition".
> This is not a terribly reliable guide, in either direction.
>

No, I actually mean they strictly refer to properties in the ka-sense.
The other gismu are also defined with explicit mentions to {ka}, even
though they make sense when filled with functions having suitable
return values. I was enquiring about how to express these functions
in lojban.

> * te zmadu
> * te jibni
> * te simsa
> * se mutce
> * se traji
>

> These non-ka properties are then just lambda expressions
> which return different kinds of values. It appears only logical
> that {ce'u} should be used. The best I have come up with are
> constructions such as
>    {ko'a jibni ko'e lo se stuzi be ce'u}.
>
> Assuming that ko'a and ko'e are sentences/propositions this makes a sort of
> sense, their positions on a truth value scale, say.  But it is not very natural
> a reading, even if we are talking about fuzzy values.
>

No, the intended translation is as in xorxes sentence:
  "They are close in what their locations are",
where "they" probably does not refer to sentences.
I guess this would be a case for ellipsis.

mu'onai
mi'e .asiz.

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