Re: [lojban] How it should have been. And how it could be.

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

This small vocal and growing may not be an ideal way to build a language, but it is to learn it.  Lojban seems to have followed Loglan in making memorizing the thousand plus gismu a precondition for full participation.  I see that folks are getting away from that, but I am not sure there are useful guides yet,

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On Jun 26, 2011, at 6:54, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Muhammad Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Alright,
> 
> Alright!  Hey, wait, you live in Egypt?  Um, how are things going over there?!
> 
>> For all the gurus and regular Lojbanists out there, imagine you're back
>> where it all started, but with your current experience, how would you like
>> Lojban to be?
> 
> I'm not sure if this answers your question, but I've always thought
> the biggest mistake made in the early history of Lojban was making too
> much at once.  The whole gismu list and cmavo for every imaginable
> possibility were all invented and put in lists and then next everyone
> sat down to try to see if they could say anything with them.  We're
> still catching up with that to this day.  It's difficult to develop
> many lujvo because everyone's always studying our mountain of gismu.
> 
> I think it would make sense to start a new language by releasing only
> a tiny amount of words at first, and then adding more very gradually
> on some sort of schedule.  Each new batch of words would be explored,
> defined, refined, clarified, and digested before any more would be
> added.  The life of a word is a body of imagery, pedagogy, references,
> puns & rhymes, repeated explanations of subtleties of meaning, deep
> relationships the word has with the whole language, not just a dry
> association between a symbol and a sketch of a meaning.
> 
>> Or, imagine that you're using the current Lojban as a template
>> for creating the perfect logical language (as close to that), how would
>> you want it look like say, in year 2090? or a bit sooner if that's too far.
> 
> The main way I expect Lojban to change in the coming years is to
> develop much more vocabulary.  Particularly filling out the lujvo
> space, and also probably more fu'ivla and I hope some interesting
> zi'evla.  Lojban feels like a language that wants to have a lot lot
> lot of vocabulary.  We insist that every word has just one meaning.
> There's this sense that what you do is simply choose the word that
> means exactly what you're actually saying.  But so far we mostly have
> these bland fuzzy gismu.  I think Lojban will feel more like the
> precise language we imagine it to be, with words directly capturing
> all sorts of subtle flavors.  People will always be saying, "You know
> what I think is the perfect word to describe that?" and then pulling
> out some rich obscure precise descriptive term.
> 
> mi'e la stela selckiku mu'o
> 
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