Re: [lojban] da broda, ko'a broda, da bu'a, zo'e co'e

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 04:02:07AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:05 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > We often use the combination of "da/de/di" &
> > "broda/brode/brodi/brodo/brodu" when we describe the grammar by way of
> > syntactically indicating but not semantically specifying the sumti &
> > selbri spaces. For example:
> >
> >  da broda lo nu brode kei de lo brodi di
> >
> > That is, some of us (including myself) tend to use a pair of "da/..."
> > & "broda/..." to explain the general structure of a particular
> > expression or to suggest how to put together whatever sumti or selbri
> > for a certain form of expression.
> >
> > Some nintadni would then likely get the impression that
> >
> >  whatever sumti <-- da
> >  whatever selbri <-- broda
> >
> > and perhaps, with the gimmicks of LE-sumtification and ME-selbrification,
> > that
> >
> >  me da (is-whatever) = broda
> >  lo broda (that which is-whatever) = da
> >
> > That notion might also be informally driven by the appearance that
> > "da" and "broda" share an identical syllable.
> >
> > The whole assumed correspondence between "da" & "broda" wouldn't be
> > correct, however. "da/..." are BOUND VARIABLEs, while "broda/..." are
> > ASSIGNABLE PRO-FORMs", which is an important distinction to make
> > regarding the practice of quantification. Also, there is the
> > selbri-type of bound variables -- "bu'a/bu'e/bu'i" -- and the
> > sumti-type of assignable pro-forms -- "ko'a/ko'e/ko'i/...". That is:
> >
> >  "broda" (assignable pro-form) aligns more with "ko'a" (assignable
> > pro-form) than with "da" (bound variable)
> >
> > and
> >
> >  "da" (bound variable) aligns more with "bu'a" (bound variable) than
> > with "broda" (assignable pro-form)
> >
> > These alignments may be comparable to that of "zo'e" & "co'e" as well.
> >
> > With that in mind, which of the following combinations would most
> > finely substitute for the oft-used "da broda" in generalizing
> > grammatical structures:
> >
> >  ko'a broda
> >  da bu'a
> >  zo'e co'e
> >
> >
> > mu'o mi'e tijlan
> >
> 
> da broda
> 
> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Boy are *you* in the wrong community.  0.o

Also, I think the fact that it *is* broke was pretty well
demonstrated.

For arbitrary grammatical exposition, I'd say {zo'e co'e} or {ko'a
broda}; I have no strong preference.  For actual logical
correspondance, {da bu'a}, but it's rare that that actually comes
up.

-Robin

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