hmmm, I dunno. For some reason I remember thinking that {mi ca cmila} breaks down as:mi caku cmila -> caku mi cmilagiven that I think you're still not saying what you mean to say (even if it should be grammatical?)If {ko'a ca broda} -> {ko'a caku broda} and{nu lo broda cu brode} produces a selbrithen{po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca nu lo damba cu mrobi'o} would be saying {po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca [ku] nu lo damba cu mrobi'o} making the {nu lo damba...} into a selbri untagged by the {ca}. So at this point you're in the form {broda ca brode}?
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
If one can say {mi ca cmila}, then {mi ca nu cmila} should also be grammatical, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense. I thought TAGs could be put just about anywhere, and that they don't have any requirements/arguments/expectations.stevoOn Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't think what you said was even grammatical.{nu} takes a bridi and turns it into a selbri. I believe TAG expects a sumti which is why it's always {TAG lo nu}. At least, jboski seems to choke when it gets to {nu}--On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, that makes sense. I didn't think of {ca lo nu ...}. Is there a difference in meaning, or is it 'just' a structural difference? It seems like the difference between, e.g., "during their dying", vs. "while they're dying".stevoOn Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
since po'o is a UI it modifies the preceding word so wouldn't you want {lo bebna po'o cu cmila ca [lo?] nu lo damba cu mrobi'o}?
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:08 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using "fa" to imitate the OVS structure of Klingon, but I think it's better to use an unmarked form of Lojban instead.po'o lo bebna cu cmila ca nu lo damba cu mrobi'ostevoOn Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'Only fools laugh while warriors die.
cmila fa po'o lo bebna ca nu mrobi'o fa lo dambastevoOn Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:16 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
No, none of those is a replacement proverb.In Klingon circles, a 'replacement proverb' (qa'meH vIttlhegh) is uttered by a person immediately after he feels he has lost honor, e.g., by committing a gaff in public, and thus attempts to regain his honor.Examples from "Power Klingon", an audio cassette by Marc Okrand, include:DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu'Set fire on the side when there is danger.reH Suvrup SuvwI''a'A great warrior is always prepared.Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'Only fools laugh while warriors die.
HIvqa' veqlarghThe Fek'lhr strikes again.The replacement proverbs are basically interchangeable; any one can be used on any occasion when it is felt necessary. The literal meanings are also completely irrelevant. Replacement proverbs are similar to apologies in other cultures.stevo(aka lay'tel SIvten)
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
hmm, I assume that by "Klingong replacement proverbs" you mean (for example) some of the entires here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Klingon_proverbslo ba'e bajra nanmu cu kakne lo nu ka'argau lo voki'o galxe ze'i lo pa nicte
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:--Just a thought.Translate Klingon replacement proverbs into Lojban.Curiouser and curiouser.stevo
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