Keep in mind Jonathan, I corrected myself a few messages back. I'm actually pronouncing it "brgn" or maybe "brgyn" with a really short "y".I should just upload a cynch or something of me pronouncing it. Maybe I AM inadvertently putting some stress on the "be" and not realizing it or something.
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, but I find that I naturally pronounce "Bergen" as {bErgen}. Granted, I don't put a /lot/ of stress on the first syllable, but it's definitely there. I find myself incapable of pronouncing it with no stress at all, although if I want to sound like a twat, I am able to put even /more/ stress on gen than I do on ber.--
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 3:29 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:On 12 August 2011 06:16, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:Stress is relevant only for brivla. An unstressed (but paused) cmevla
> OTOH, Lojban *does* have stress, so maybe a final syllable stress would be
> less obtrusive than trying to indicate no stress at all.
cannot be morphologically ambiguous, and the position of stress, if
any, wouldn't technically affect the word's meaning. So there is no
reason in Lojban to think or try to indicate that a certain cmevla
should have a stress on a certain syllable or none. Conversely, it
would be reasonable for Lojban to have no default stress pattern for
cmevla. A cmevla with no stress-marking would then generically
represent all of its valid stress patterns. There is no way to
indicate exactly that a cmevla should be pronounced without a stress,
but we could at least indicate that it does not exclude the unstressed
pronunciation by not marking any, by not having a default stress. (If
we had to have a default for each such phonotactic feature that isn't
morphologically, syntactically, or semantically relevant in Lojban, we
would have to have ones for tone, pitch, intonation, etc. as well.)
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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