On Sep 2, 8:47 pm, ianek <
jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
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http://dag.github.com/cll/11/4/
>
> Quote:
> It is also possible to have more than one “ce'u” in a “ka”
> abstraction, which transforms it from a property abstraction into a
> relationship abstraction. Relationship abstractions “package up” a
> complex relationship for future use; such an abstraction can be
> translated back into a selbri by placing it in the x2 place of the
> selbri “bridi”, whose place structure is:
>
> “bridi”: x1 is a predicate relationship with relation
> x2 (abstraction) among arguments (sequence/set) x3
> End quote.
>
> So, {lo ka ce'u ce'u na ckaji} is not right. It should be something
> like {lo ka ce'u lo nei na ckaji} unless I'm wrong (not sure whether
> {nei} refers to the inner bridi). {vo'a} can't be used here, as it
> refers to the x1 of the outer bridi, ie. the full abstraction. {ri}
> can't be used also, as it doesn't refer to KOhA.
>
> This opens a subject which bugged me for a long time: how are
> reflexive relationships handled in Lojban? I've seen lujvo with
> {sevzi} to handle them, but this doesn't seem right in general, as the
> definition of {sevzi} suggests a concious being (unless I'm wrong), so
> it couldn't be used to make eg. {sezra'a} mean "x1 is self-
> referential".
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On Sep 2, 4:51 pm, Martin Bays <
mb...@sdf.org> wrote:
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> > Cute Russel for properties, which translates nicely to lojban:
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> > xu lo ka ce'u ce'u na ckaji ku vo'a ckaji
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> > application_pgp-signature_part
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