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Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse discussions?



(I don't really want to get involved in this, but let me just say that
I appreciate the work that even lojbanists who care not at all about the
precise grammatical meaning of their utterances (not that I mean to
assert that Jonathan falls into that category) do for the Cause by
developing vocabulary and providing usage examples for us to ponder.)

* Tuesday, 2011-09-20 at 14:09 -0700 - John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>:

> Well, in keeping with the saying, what is the attraction of Lojban to you?  Why 
> not take up Klingon, which has a definite culture and definitive answers to your 
> haja questions (haja form the pluperfect subjunctive?, a question liable to get 
> more muddy than xorlo in Lojban)?  Or toki pona, that takes about a day to learn 
> enough to carry on conversations on a range of things and contribute to the 
> list? And, while most of your contributions have been about haja questions or 
> general learning aids (the best app for your smartphone, say), you have taken 
> part in earlier rounds of the eternal xorlo issue so, are not completely 
> uninterested nor ignorant.  So, what do you think {lo broda} means?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, September 20, 2011 2:58:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [lojban] Should we have another mailing list for abstruse 
> discussions?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:04 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, as the old saying (I've been saying it for thirty some years) goes, "If 
> you want to have a logical language, you have to put up with a little logic". 
>  In the present case, since it concerns {zo'e}, the most common unwritten word 
> in Lojban, and thus {lo}, the most common written word (possibly excluding {I} 
> and { cu}), it would seem to be worthy of general attention.  The demands of the 
> discussion are not great (yes, Montague's course was graduate level, but 
> Partee's was just Senior level and we don't need the whole pile here).  So gird 
> up and learn a little about possible worlds and mappings and intensionality. 
>  Jboske would be a nice site, but,as noted, no one goes there and there is no 
> handy connection to it from the general site.
> >
> >Sent from my iPad
> 
> I don't even know what the TITLE means. Oh, I know I could probably look it up 
> and find out, sure. But, here's the thing- I don't care. I am not a linguist or 
> logician. I have no interest whatsoever IN understanding. Figuring out how the 
> language works isn't my job. That job belongs to the linguists and logicians. 
> They figure out how a word works, then they tell us, in layman's terms, once 
> they've figured it out. The whole zo'e thing going on is exactly that- something 
> they are figuring out.
> 
> I've got enough stuff on my "to learn" plate being in college without putting 
> the learning of an entirely new discipline on there too- especially one that I'm 
> not interested in anyway. If I don't /need/ to learn it, and I don't /want/ to 
> learn it, I'm not going to learn it. Simple as that. Get back to me when you 
> figure out what zo'e means.
> 
>  
> 
> >On Sep 20, 2011, at 5:40, rdentato@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >On , Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> >>> There is jboske@yahoogroups.com, but that one hasn't been posted to since 
> >>2007.
> >>
> >>Great! Let's ask those that want to conduct such in-depth discussions to move 
> >>there!
> >>
> >>remod 
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> -- 
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> 
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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