Re: [lojban] baby words, but general relevance: dai-like cmavo

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 02:23:04PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> > OK, so there's {dai}.  {.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am
> > also happy along with you".
> 
> It doesn't actually mean that, 

What does it mean then?

> > Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this;
> > I'm not myself, but I observe it in you]}.  Which, again, {za'a
> > do dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI
> > for it.
> 
> It is fine to just say ".oi" there. You are not saying it *to* the
> baby, you are saying it *with* her. 

I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all.

> It works even better if you don't use your own normal voice but a
> baby-like voice imitation. Remember that the referent of "mi" can
> be more subtle than just your own old self.

{mi} isn't relevant here, IMO; UI are for directly expressing the
emotions of the actual immediate speaker, regardless of what {mi} is
bound to.  Anything else is ... confusing, at the very least.  If
someone says {.ui} and I don't know if they are happy or if some
random person around them is happy, the usefullness of UI has
basically been totally destroyed as far as I can see.

-Robin

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