Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban and Truth-Conditional Semantics

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Yup!  Though I don't think even simple predications are that well worked out ( see parallel thread).  
(Note: in my usage, {le no broda} would be uninterpretable, since descriptor imply that there is what is described -- even more so with {le}than with{lo}.)

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On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:18 AM, la klaku <jakobnybonissen@gmail.com> wrote:

> In my use of everyday Lojban, there are no issues about truth
> conditions when I speak of sentences like {la djan prami la meris}.
> Nor do I think the problem with "domains of discourse" (in the sense
> of what descriptive sumti actually refer to) really is a problem in
> ordinary speech. Not that I am against Mike's suggestion, i encourage
> it, but I'd argue that Lojban's major problems with truth conditions
> doesn't lie in simple bridi composed of only (SUMTI SELBRI SUMTI)
> The problem is small modifying words. Is the truth condition of {mi
> po'o broda} the same as {mi le no drata cu broda}? Does {a'o ko'a
> broda} have the same truth conditions as {ko'a broda}? Why not? How
> does {da'i} *actually* work? And so I could go on. The worst offender
> here is probably the implicit CAhA, since an implicit {ka'e} can wreck
> all efforts of trying to establish reasonalbe truth conditions.
> I suggest it be defined how these small words interact with the
> "normal" truth conditions of the bridi without these modifiers. This
> is important in order to interpret ordinary speech.
> 
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