Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like

[maikxlx <maikxlx@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 November 2011 23:44:29 maikxlx wrote:
>> So, would you have us write {lo si'o [za'e] grezunca'a cu se finti la
>> .caklis.}?
>>
>> I believe that pretty much {lo si'o broda} = {lo sidbo be lo broda}, where
>> lo broda is again is a reference to a kind with clearly _no_
>> actuals/mundanes/instances, either needed or wanted.  Would you rewrite {lo
>> broda cu sidbo} as {lo si'o broda cu sidbo}?
>
> "si'o" is the idea abstractor; it abstracts a bridi, just like any other
> abstractor. "lo si'o cmuxu'i" is different from "lo si'o selratni", even
> though "lo cmuxu'i" is the same as "lo selratni" (the rest of the places are
> different).
>
> That said, I'm not sure what exactly "si'o broda" means, except for measuring
> units. "lo si'o mitre" is "the meter", since "lo mitre" means not "a meter"
> but "something measured in meters". "mi mitre li cifi'ure" implies "mi mitre"
> even though I am longer than a meter. And lo mitre clearly exists.
>
I admit I was not too clear in this email. For one thing I might have
misunderstood {si'o}.  I thought {ce'u} worked with {si'o} the way it
works with {ka}, but having checked the CLL, I see no evidence for
this, so the equation {lo si'o broda} = {lo sidbo be lo broda} is
probably wrong.  What the difference is I am not exactly sure.  And,
perhaps {si'o} is only currently defined for measuring units;  I don't
know that either.

Secondly, in haste I wrote {broda} when I should have just written
{grezunca'a}.  The issue being discussed was the possibility of {da
finti lo grezunca'a} being true at a moment of time when no actual
transistor yet existed (for the sake of argument let's say this is
what happened).  In that state of affairs, {lo grezunca'a} has no
referent unless you posit that it can refer to transistor-kind or
something similarly intensional.  But yes other {lo}-sumti such as {lo
mitre} do exist in general.

> Pierre
> --
mu'o mi'e .maik.

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