Re: [lojban] Re: Polar Opposites and Agentives

http://dag.github.com/cll/4/4/

and what you see as _pointless_ can be seen as quite _relevant_ depending on what you WANT...
bottom line, is: you could break any language in zeros and ones, and there is no definitive reason to put these units in bigger packs, as human beings tend to do (we don't think or talk only with 0 and 1).
Off course, you might feel that in general it is less _pointless_ trying to get closer to such a language (made only of 0 and 1)...

2011/12/25 tsani nicte <nictytan@gmail.com>

It just seems to me like there are a lot of _pointless_ gismu that are simply in reality semantic variations of another gismu.
It's true that we want to consider "making love" and "rape" to be different, and in fact, the particular distinction is achieved through

lujvo, not through entirely different gismu. Also, I believed that the six source languages were only used in determining the
sounds used in making the gismu. What deserved a gismu and what did not was rather arbitrary, if I recall correctly. This is why we

have gismu such as "nikle" and "rozgu" which simply don't deserve gismu at all. (These are leftover from Loglan, I believe.)

I think that the size of the gimste could be effectively reduced if we dropped all these agentive/non-agentive and polar opposite gismu.

Otherwise, what's really preventing surgau from having its own gismu? or, for that matter, any lujvo at all?

On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 2:55 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

There are more such cases, like {zdani} and {xabju} - as I see it,
it's the same relation, only different order of arguments.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 25 Gru, 16:00, david demartin <davidandresloque...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> my guess is that the 6 or so languages used to find common words as base
> for gismu had all distinct terms for fast/slow... (as opposed to
> fast/non-fast).
> ...and we might indeed want to make THAT kind of a difference between
> killing and dying for example... a little bit like we want to distinguish
> between "making love" and "raping": although one is just a slight variation
> of the other, we kind of WANT to consider them different things altogether
> (as to assign them very different terms).
>
> dyabudy
>

> 2011/12/25 tsani nicte <nicty...@gmail.com>

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> > How come the gimste has somtimes a different gismu that's simply defined
> > as the polar opposite of another? Why not just use to'e?
> > The example that comes to mind is: sutra vs masno
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> > Conversely, I once saw a like of gismu that had both agentive and
> > non-agentive versions. Why not just use -gau lujvo?
> > The example that comes to mind is: catra vs morsi
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> > mu'o mi'e tan
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