Re: [lojban] Conversational ability test.

[MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>]

I understand Robin's suggestion to be a test for just one person, even though two people are involved. So if the testee knows Lojban well enough to talk the 'tester' through solving whatever the puzzle or other task is, then he 'knows' Lojban. The 'tester', OTOH, should be a native Lojban speaker with no other language in common with the testee.

I don't think this would be an adequate test, but it's a start. 

stevo

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

Are "sentences" made up of lojban words which are incorrect
grammatically lojban? What about if both people misuse (by implicit
contract) certain words (I can't think of a good example now)? What if
they habitually forget to separate the main bridi from the sumti
before it? What about lojban with a lot of "zoi" and "zo'oi" and "me
la"? Where is the line drawn between incorrect lojban, bad lojban, and
not lojban?

My complaints aside, that's a really cool idea.

I may be colored by recent experience, but bootstrapping using already
made games might be effective.

I'm thinking specifically about Portal 2 and IloMilo (although both
have mechanisms for avoiding need for any conversation), but more
generally speaking, playing a cooperative puzzle game might do.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> tsani and I independently came up with this test within a couple of
> hours of each other yesterday (!?), and it seems like it helps
> people grok what "I can speak Lojban" means.
>
> Stick two people in two adjacent rooms; they can hear each other but
> not see each other.  Present them with a co-operative puzzle to exit
> the room.  Shoot them :) if they speak anything but Lojban.
>
> People who can get out of the room "speak Lojban".  That doesn't
> mean they're "fluent", whatever the hell that means. But they can
> get shit done.
>
> Now, here's the fun part: can you come up with a set of tasks that
> we could implement on a couple of laptops so we could actually try
> this at jbonunsla?
>
> For bonus points, can you come up with tasks that have various
> difficulty scales?  How about tasks that require something other
> than simple directional instructions (i.e. "OK, now try the button
> on the right")?
>
> -Robin
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