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[lojban] Re: {zo'e}
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Corbin Simpson <mostawesomedude@gmail.com> writes:
> You've buried the lede somewhat. There probably *aren't* context-free
> formal definitions possible for {zo'e}, because speakers usually intend
> either the semantics of {zi'o} (pretend that the place doesn't exist) or
> {su'o da} (something fills the place but it is irrelevant; it does
> logically exist, though!) The former is fulfilled when zero or more objects
> match, but the latter requires at least one object to match.
>
> As a basic example, in the utterance {mi vecnu zo'e}, am I asserting that
> at least one sale takes place? (Ignoring temporal issues.)
I think just about all of that is wrong. {zo'e} can never mean {zi'o}
but {zo'e} can, in certain contexts, mean {noda}. If you and I are in a
brightly-lit room when the power goes out and it's suddenly plunged into
pitch-black darkness, I might reasonably utter the observative:
viska
meaning, in that context, "I can't see anything!", {mi viska noda}.
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