Re: [lojban] About the word "fluent".

[selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>]

Am 14.02.2012 20:23, schrieb Robin Lee Powell:

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 08:17:36PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:

I'm not sure the bushmen analogy holds. li'o

I think that's really optomistic.  Sure, they might call the cars
"magic horses", but they wouldn't both instantly think of that, or
agree on it.  They'd be like "Uhh, that... thingy... what the hell
should we call that?" "Ummm, I dunno.  Fast box?"  "That's kind of
lame.  How about magic horse?" "Oh, yeah, that'll work."  [ignoring
that bushmen don't have horses, or anything like them (that is:
things humans ride to go faster), to the best of my knowledge]

You seem to be assuming that they'd instantly come up with the
appropriate new vocab, which I think is deeply unreasonable.

I think what you described there is a very fluent conversation in which two individuals agree on a name for a new object.
Fluency is real-time creativity and it's being demonstrated here.

And it doesn't matter what the reasons for that are, the fact
stays the same.

Then it is physically impossible to be fluent in Lojban at this
time, because this will happen all the time every day until idiom is
built up.

And here I disagree. I am asserting that with the current Lojban, you *can* be fluent. Not having lujvo for some things doesn't mean you can't talk about them by describing them in "simpler" terms.

"That is, I believe it's possible to make do with what we
have right now, "
I agree, and I did.

You did, but it took you time and effort. Fluency means speed and ease.

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