[lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

Some questions regarding those terms and their implications.

For starters, what is the meaning of a kakne where kakne1 doesn't appear in the kakne2 event?

{i mi kakne lo nu do citka ci lo plise} -- "I am capable of you eating three apples?"

kakne-bridi where kakne1 appears in kakne2 seems to be able to resolve into ka'e-bridi:

{i mi kakne lo nu mi citka ci lo plise} -> {i mi ka'e citka ci lo plise}

but bridi such as the former do not seem to posses this quality.

The CLL seems to make all kinds of claims about a particular sumti of ka'e-bridi. For instance, in the ducks example, the CLL basically says that the bridi is true due to some innate property of ducks, i.e. that they can all swim. It seems to me like ka'e might have a more useful interpretation if we accept the BPFK CAhA as sumtcita proposal, where ka'e is equivalent to su'omu'ei. In particular, "there are some number of worlds, possibly this one, in which [bridi] is true". [ka'e] then becomes the loosest CAhA, where any CAhA can be ka'e:

ca'a: "in some number of worlds and this one"

pu'i: "in some number of words and this one"

nu'o: "in some number of worlds excluding this one"

where "this one" is "the world of dei, or of the tagged sumti if present"

This doesn't invalidate the "blind people ka'e see" sentence, as there exists a world in which they haven't lost their ability to see.

[ca'a] and [pu'i] seem redundant, but they simply create an implicit temporal distinction

As for mapti and sarxe, it was suggested that a parallel exists between those two and ka'e ane kakne, such that mapti is to ka'e as sarxe is to kakne.

Concretely, the example is:

mapti: "does the suit fit?"  --parallels ka'e

sarxe: "does it look good on you?"  --parallels kakne

I don't quite understand this parallel. Does anyone?

Returning to the point, mapti seems to be about objective relationships and correspondences, such as a suit fitting, or a better word being more appropriate, whereas sarxe is more about a subjective quality. For instance, two persons might sarxe if they get along well, or a cup of coffee might sarxe me if I enjoy drinking it.

Any thoughts?

mu'o mi'e la tsani

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