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Re: [lojban] An opinion against Lojban/Loglan



So if we add 10 more cmavo to lojban resurrecting those loglan cases I hope the problem will be solved

On Friday, February 24, 2012 9:04:37 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
No, Loglan had cases, similar to BAI, but not quite the same. For example you'd have a case tag that tagged "recipient" or "agent". So with dunda, you could use the recipient tag to mark the recipient instead of having to put it in dunda3. The difference is that these tags were much less specific and there were only a bit over 10 of these so more overlap occured.


Am 24.02.2012 17:09, schrieb Michael Turniansky:


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday, February 24, 2012 05:20:48 gleki wrote:
> This was posted earlier today in the Russian group of lidepla language.
> The following is written allegedly by Stephen Rice according to the author
> of the group but it's not confirmed by anyone else. Anyway there will be no
> confirmation.
> What's your opinion about the following ?
>
> Briefly: I don't consider either Loglan or Lojban viable auxlangs.
> They weren't designed for it. Their use of logical predicate
> structure, while making simple sentences easy to produce, also bloats
> the lexicon, because you technically need a new predicate every time
> you change the underlying structure--something regular languages use
> adpositions to do. Unfortunately, they weren't designed for ease of
> derivation, either: Loglanists were originally supposed to chain
> together individual predicate words, much as in Toki Pona. The
> language was designed for that--it still is, despite some retrofits.

Lojban does have adpositions (sumtcita). All members of BAI are prepositions,
and tense markers can also be used as prepositions.

> From a linguistic standpoint, the relationships differ sharply; as
> logical predicates, however, their structures are identical. Loglan
> mitigated this with a system of case tags, which the Lojbanists
> rejected. My Loglan 2.0 would be based on such a case system.

What does he mean?


   I assumed here he WAS talking about BAI, but I could be wrong.
                    --gejyspa
 
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