Re: [lojban] Re: Country names?

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:58:14 Jacob Errington wrote:
> Yeah [beldjym] is pretty awful. The name should be based on French or
> Flemish or both, and not English.

Here are my ideas, where I think the name on the page is wrong or could be 
improved:

angilys: could be angilas in dotside.

dominik: dominikas.

dominik.ka'ijec: dominikan.ka'ijec. It's pretty confusing in English having 
"Dominican" mean two different countries depending on the accent. I know 
several Domínicans, but no Dominícans. In French and Spanish, the two demonyms 
have different endings, with "n" and "s" matching the ones I just gave. I'm not 
sure what the brivla forms should be.

seint.kits.joik.nevis: sen.kristof.jol.nieves. I could go either way on this, 
except for the "jol" ("jol" is a rafsi, whereas "joik" is one of several terms 
ending in a "k" of obscure origin). I don't object to a cmevla ending in two 
consonants, but xorxes does.

vrdjin.daplu: vrdjin.dapl. (The final "l" is syllabic.)

fok: I'm not sure what this is supposed to be, but I'm guessing malvinas.

fraso zei gudjanas: fas.gi,an.

gudjanas: gaian.

getygu'e: getygug. "getygu'e" is fine for the brivla form.

razgu'e: razgug. I'll omit simple "gu'e -> gug" from now on.

benesuel: venesuel. The sounds of "b" and "v" are interchangeable in Spanish, 
but not in Italian, where this name comes from (it refers to Venice). The 
brivla form should be "vensuela", though the adjectival form in Spanish is 
"venezolano", as frequently a stressed "ue" corresponds to an unstressed "o".

djeris: I'm guessing jexygug, which is mentioned below.

kongos: kongos.ka'ijec., or sic.kongos. for short. The brivla "kongolo" can 
refer to either.

madagaskar: the brivla form is "malgaci".

mijyfi'o ka'irje'a: mijyfrik.ka'ijec., though nothing's wrong with the selbri 
as such.

misrygu'e: misrygug or just misr.

naidjer: this can also refer to the river, but that's not a problem.

namib: likewise, this can refer to the desert.

nanfi'o: nanfrik.

roltrusi'o zei .kongos:  kongos.[?].ka'ijec (I'm not sure what word should go 
in between), or sun.kongos. for short.

somal., somalis: I'm not sure what distinction is being made here.

suatinis: this is Swaziland; I had to look it up.

sudan: la .nan.sudan., which wasn't separate when I originally made the list, 
is missing.

faspolgu'e: faspolgug.

sralygu'e: sralygug.

zis. poi cnino: nuzilan.

airland: also .erin.

beldjym: belgium., beljik.

belrus: blabruk.

bosnas ertsegovinas: bosnas.jol.ertsegovinas.

bulgarias: bylgarias., with bolgaro or bulgaro for the brivla. The vowel in 
Bulgarian is ъ, which is Lojban y. The vowels in other Slavic languages vary: 
o in Slovene but у (u) in Macedonian, u (with absorption of the l) in Serbo-
Croatian, о in Russian and Ukrainian, but а in Belarusian (but о and а are 
pronounced alike in Russian when unstressed).

elvetias: elvet.

finland: suomen.

kosovas: sounds okay to me, but the Slavs and the Albanians argue about the 
third vowel.

lanplu: feroiar.

marin. poi censa: ces.marin. or san.marin.

sloven: this is Slovenia; the brivla is slovino. Maybe the cmevla should be 
slovenias.

slovensk: this is Slovakia; the brivla is slovako.

suis: na'ebo la .elvet. It redirects to .sueriges., which starts with "ni'o la 
sfari,es."

turk: tirk. [y] (written ü in Turkish as well as German) usually turns to "i" 
in Lojban. The brivla is tirkce.

usteraij: estraix.

xesygu'e: xesygug., or just xels.

berti zei .xanguk: ber.tcoson. or ber.tcosen. The last vowel is /ɔ/, which is 
not a phoneme in Lojban.

tibet: pyd.

elenas. poi censa: ces.elenas. or san.elenas.

kupr: kipros. or kibris. or kubrus. The capital is la lefkocas. I don't know 
where the initial N in English comes from.

kyrg: kyrgystan. The brivla is kirgizi.

laos: laus.

snanu zei .xanguk: nan.xanguk.

srilynkas: dotside allows srilankas., though the brivla is not srilanka, which 
is a basket made of strips of some material. I've seen such baskets, but I'm 
not sure what they're made of.

xonkon: also xyngon. and cangan.

mu'omi'e .pier.
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