Re: [lojban] Nasal assimilation

[Sid <cntrational@gmail.com>]

Actually changing the forms of the gismu to adjust for this seems like
something that will never happen.

On 10 March 2012 17:16, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we replace np /nb with mp / mb will there be any clashes in existing
> gismu (of course taking into account that two gismu can't differ in the last
> vowel etc.) ?
>
>
> On Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:36:18 PM UTC+4, cntrational wrote:
>>
>> I'd personally say "imput" in rapid speech, and "gumtree" and
>> "camcorder" are more lenient about phonotactics because they're
>> compound words. But, yeah, English isn't too strict about it in slower
>> speech, though I'd argue that assimilation happens a lot in rapid
>> speech. Ask most English speakers to say "He got ten points." rapidly,
>> they'll probably say "tem points".
>>
>> 2012/3/10 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 7:21 AM, cntrational <cntrational@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> In most languages, when nasals come before stops, they generally
>> >> assimilate
>> >> to the stop. So, we don't say "inpossble", we say "impossble" -- /np/
>> >> is a
>> >> cluster that's rare in most languages; it's usually changed to /mp/.
>> >> Similarly for /mt/ → /nt/ and /mk/ → /ŋk/. Which makes it really weird
>> >> that
>> >> Lojban *does* allow clusters like /np/. What's up with that? Seems like
>> >> a
>> >> pretty glaring omission in the Lojban phonotactic rules, especially
>> >> considering how common nasal assimilation is in the world.
>> >
>> > In English such assimilations don't really happen (cf. "input",
>> > "gumtree", "camcorder"). "Impossible" came into English with the
>> > assimilation already there. The designers of Lojban were English
>> > speakers, not linguists, so Lojban has a strong bias towards English
>> > phonotactics, not towards what's common in the world.
>> >
>> > mu'o mi'e xorxes
>> >
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