"This taste like of a salt"?
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:55:37 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
Exactly. [ka broda] really doesn't have that much to do with "-ness" at all, by itself. What [ka broda] means exactly, really depends on the selbri relating it.[xy. silnyselvu'i] -> [xy. silna se vrusi] -> [xy. se vrusi lo ka silna] -> [lo ka silna cu vrusi xy.] "X tastes salty/like salt."
From what I gather about [ka] and the way it's used, it makes a secondary claim. In this case, the secondary claim is that [xy] *is* a silna1, in a way. In particular, it's silna1 such that it *tastes* like silna1 tastes, i.e. salty.
Making up gismu isn't done lightly, and making up zi'evla/fu'ivla for things that have short lujvo equivalents is a "waste" (hardly, considering zi'evla-space is unlimited) of zi'evla-space.
I don't think there is any need of creating gismu/zi'evla/lujvo until scientists determine the true natural system of tastes.
All in all, [broda se vrusi] produces a [x1 tastes like <lo broda>] type of selbri; I'd say that's the best solution, when such a broda exists. Otherwise, we have to resort to fu'ivla.
mu'o mi'e la tsani
On 18 April 2012 15:27, ianek
<janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
{ka broda} cannot mean "salty" etc. "ti ka silna" means "this is a property of being salt", not "this is salty". You could make lujvo like {silnyvu'i} etc. Replacing gismu by lujvo is also possible, but then I guess you want to use more meaningful terms for other things too, like {fetre'a} instead of {ninmu} and {nalma'u} instead of {verba} and {nalma'ufetre'a} instead of {nixli} and maybe even {cmuvla} instead of {gismu}...
mu'o mi'e ianek
On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:16:49 PM UTC+2, gleki wrote:
I suggest optionally replacing existing gismu for tastes with more meaningful terms.
? ka silna -salty
titla ka sakta - sweet
slari ka slami - sour
kurki ka cakla - bitter
la'oi umami / ka rectu - umami
se kurtsapi / ka mernta - minty/fresh
ka tcati - dry
ka grasu - fatty
ka xalka - kokumi (alcohol included, so non-neutral)
??? - numbness taste
ka cpina - spicy
On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:25:31 PM UTC+4, gleki wrote:
Umami is considered as one of five tastes now. To be fair it deserves gismu, but I'll be humble. Fu'ivla will be fine for me.
It's called umami (at least in English, Spanish and Russian)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami
Also
taste has such features as
chemesthesis which includes menthol taste and piquancy.
What are your suggestions?
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