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Re: [lojban] Rafybri and 4 new rafsi. Suggestion for a new agglutinative style in Lojban



On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:38:30 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:01 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
At first I must say that I'm not a member of any language-developing committee (BPFK or anything).
And the following is just an idea how the flexibility of Lojban can be enriched.
Nobody is asked to use the following when writing or speaking real Lojban.
Everything here should be marked as exclusively experimental and (.a'o) as the source for further consideration.
None of the existing rules of Lojban (the baseline) is changed.

Rafybri

I always noticed how lujvo break the transparent logic of bridi.
Let's look at {nitkla} which means {klama lo cnita}.
Although it's much easier to learn {nitkla} rather then "descend" (in English they differ in sounding considerably)
nobody can guess that {nitkla} means "descend" and doesn't mean "go in a lower position under something" without getting the translation beforehand.

I disagree. I argue that it is actually rather easy to determine the meaning of nitkla.

Let us assume that nitkla is a lujvo formed from the tanru {cnita klama}, which may or may not be true. {cnita klama} is a "below type-of going", i.e.. "going below", i.e. "descending".

The point is that in many lujvo the first rafsi acts rather like an adverb when translating to English.

How is that difficult to figure out?
 
Although anybody is free to say "klama lo cnita" instead
it will lead to lengthier speech.

What I suggest is to glue bridi together into a new form of lujvo called "rafybri".
That's how it works. 
1. First rule
4 new rafsi
zve <= be fe lo
zvi <= be fi lo 
zvo <= be fo lo 
zvu <= be fu lo 
and 
jve (fifth rafsi)
When composing rafybri you replace gismu with rafsi and "be fe lo" etc. with new rafsi of ZVE series.

2. cmavo attached to rafsi don't lead to the emergence of a new meaning. Therefore selpa'i  is a synonym for "se prami" (actually the second rule is not a new rule at all).

Applying this rule we can dramatically compress the length of lojbanic jufra.
And if we replace cnita with dizlo in our example we can save even two syllables.
klama lo cnita = klama lo dizlo = kla+zve+dzi = klazvedzi

blanu je crino = blajveri'o. In this case I refer to {blajveri'o} as to a synonym of {blanu je crino} (blue-green). I suggest that no new meaning is added here.

In other words rafybri can be constructed from tanru only if the latter have logical operators
("pelnimre tricu" can't be compressed into rafybri).

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