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Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste





On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:20:18 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:24:06AM -0700, ianek wrote:
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>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 05:33:34AM -0700, ianek wrote:
> > > coi rodo Quite often I hear that something in jbovlaste isn't
> > > good (usually misleading keywords). But jbovlaste is not
> > > carved in stone! How come people keep complaining and errors
> > > are still there? I have some hypotheses:
> > >
> > > a) people are lazy
> >
> > It's more-or-less that; jbovlaste is written in a language
> > framework that no-one around here really likes, the original
> > author is gone, and I don't have the time.  I've asked for help
> > with it several times, and been totally ignored.
> >
>
> I was talking about seperate things: the jbovlaste data and the
> jbovlaste interface. People complain about the data, especially
> misleading keywords/glosses. And AFAIK glosses are not baselined
> and can be changed at any time, unlike gismu definitions. And yet
> they stay the same.

Gloss words for *gismu* are absolutely official, don't touch them.
Make notes at
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gismu+Issues , and if you
want me to get to them faster, help with CLLv1.1.  

Fine, I've just added aionys' complaints about familial gismu, and also xorxes' proposed definition of xruti. If anynone knows about other proposed changes, please check whether they're there and if not, add them.
 
For everything else, if you think it needs fixing, change it.
Anything can be edited by anyone with an account.

 
> > > Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the
> > > hardest part...
> >
> > I've also requested this many times.  I gather Dag has done some
> > work here, but nothing worth showing off.
> >
>
> To complete such a project you need at least two people: one who
> has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) and another, who
> knows what they want from this project and can demand from the
> former (which includes setting deadlines) and preferably has some
> power over them (eg. by paying them for work). It's not easy to
> get such two people, but it's even harder (pe'i) to get a bigger
> project done without them.

I'm perfectly capable of being the demander, if I had any evidence
that there was anyone around here who could be the do-er; everyone
who has ever offered to help with anything around here has stopped
helping within, at the very longest, about a month[1].

By saying "perfectly capable of being the demander" you (pe'i) don't mean that you have some power over potential doers, which is pe'i the source of problems. But it's really hard to gain power without lots of money, so I'm afraid I can't help here.
 
We have money, but we don't have the kind of money to pay someone to
complete a large-scale programming project at reasonable rates.

 
-Robin

[1]: There actually is one exception, but he had little choice as
his mother insisted that he work, volunteer, or leave her house;
IIRC he lasted for like 2 months, maybe 3, before suddenly stopping
work for no apparent reason; I have no idea what he told his mom.

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