Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ?

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

On 21 June 2012 08:01, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
> In any case, I don't attack YOU, nor even your "faith", but would you
> say that a man that would complain to Russell about problems with the
> set y = {x | x ∉ x} would be "an asshole" ?
>
> Well, he would be if you take the things too much emotionally, but I
> rather think he would be a great scientist.

Except that the aspect you are characterizing as a 'problem' of
Lojban, is conditional. It could be a problem in particular (e.g.
noisy) situations but not in other situations. If we are to try to be
good scientists, we have to first determine whether there is a reason
to believe that the conditions for the suspected problem are or will
be common enough to warrant a remodelling or disposal of the subject.
Otherwise it's like blaming aircraft for having the possibility of
stall at an unnecessary altitude.


> The fact that
> Natlangs do have some glimpses of this problem too is not relevant,
> because in most case this concerns pairs of concepts very near such as
> "ran"/"run" where the unguessable feature is [PAST]/[PRESENT].   But
> here so'V = QUANTITY = { all, none, many, a few ... } is A WHOLE
> PARADIGM.

"Run/ran" as well as "push/pushed" etc. belong to the paradigm of
TENSE, just as {so'a/so'e/...} belong to the paradigm of QUANTITY. For
each group, the meaning can be put at stake by the lack of one
particular phoneme.

In the cases of
  cost/cost
  cut/cut
  hit/hit
  hurt/hurt
  let/let
  put/put
  quit/quit
  set/set
  shut/shut
  ...
, no phonemic clue is available at all.


mu'o

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