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Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ?



> It's up to you to consider I overlook that, but I tend to think you
> are too much emotionally involved in your reaction.   Ought to be more
> scientifically-minded...

I have to laugh at this. For one thing, Lindar isn't reacting to your argument. As he said, he and every one else KNOWS what your argument is. His response was "What's your point?", which means he wants to know WHY you're "harping" on this. His anger, if any, is at the fact that he has asked you repeatedly, and you have yet to answer him, but instead continue to repeat yourself.

Furthermore, YOU are not being scientific.

The scientific method is:
1)  Formulate a question. In this case, I believe the question is "What are the cause(s), if any, that make Lojban more prone to listener error in noisy environments?"

2) Make a hypothesis. "The high similarity of the various cmavo series, such as for example [so'a, so'e, so'i, so'o, so'u], make Lojban more error prone."

3) Create predictions from the hypothesis. "A person hearing {lonu lo citri cu na morji piso'aroi cu gasnu lonu lo citri cu rapli} in a noisy environment will think he heard any of [so'a, so'e, so'i, so'o, so'u], but will be unable to be sure which of them it was."

4) Perform tests.

5) Analyze the test results, adjusting the hypothesis accordingly and returning to step 3).

You stopped at 2) and said "BIG PROBLEM! EVERYONE LISTEN TO ME NOW!" Not only do you simply assume you're correct without even attempting to verify your claim, but you offer nothing to fix this "problem" as well.

I don't believe it's a problem. Even assuming it is a problem, I don't believe it's nearly as important or large a problem as you seem to think, which is why I previously accused you of making mountains of molehills. Finally, even assuming that you are completely correct and this is a huge extremely important issue,  you offer no solution to the problem, nor do you even state why you've brought it up /in the first place/.

Now, we all know that no changes that are not *absolutely* necessary will even be considered at this time, or in the foreseeable future, so obviously nothing's going to be done about this issue, assuming it exists. I've already expressed my opinion to the contrary.

However, even were we considering proposals for changes, this one would not *ever* pass. The reasons for this are: any change would break current and past Lojban text (not backwards compatible), it has not been shown that this issue actually exists, and it is a matter for debate whether the unproven issues are more important than the well-known, established benefits (i.e., ease of learning).

In any case, as far as I'm concerned, this subject is closed, at least until supporting evidence, of which there is currently /none/, is provided. The rest of you feel free to waste your time on this subject if you desire.

to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. samcku toi

mu'o mi'e.aionys.

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