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Re: [lojban] Re: Are Natlang the best case for entropy in communication ?



On Friday, June 22, 2012 5:21:55 PM UTC+4, Escape Landsome wrote:
> If this doesn't work, then the problem isn't the language but either
> the speaker's own vowel pronunciation or the surrounding noise itself.
> Chances are, in such an overwhelmingly noisy environment, even your
> "q" would be misheard as a different consonant: "aqa" as "aka", "iqi"
> as "iji", etc.

I am misunderstood.  "q" is an hypothetical new consonant.  It has
nothing to do with guttural qâf, or any guttural, hence any "k" or
"kh" or "q".   It is just a void symbol like "x" in algebra.

> A simpler solution:
>
> : <- [ː]
>
> a:
> e:
> i:
> o:
> u:
> so'a:
> so'e:
> so'i:
> so'o:
> so'u:
> ...

This does not work, nor does "VqV" either.

Why ?  Because, suppose somebody mispronounces the "a" and "e" vowels.
 This would indeed be a source of noise.   What then ?   She will say
"æ" instead of both "a" and "e".

But then, saying "æqæ" or "æ:" instead of "æ" does not help.

Thus, another kind of solution is needed !
That's exactly what I was saying. If you remove the difference between e/a you might go on with phoneme inventory reduction and end up in a language with only {a/i/u} and {p,t,k,m,n,s,h}

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