Re: [lojban] Re: jbonunsla 2012: Post #2

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

.i .o'a mi se srana lo jbonunsla vau zo'o
.i zo tolcliva to du'i zo tolyli'a toi jai se jinvi mi fai lo ka cizra
gi'enai mabla .i ju'o zo klamu'o matpi be so'ida zmadu

The problem with time is that it doesn't exist in Lojban. We just use
events as proxies for their durations, which isn't *bad* per se, it's
just a bit odd. We give equal interpretation to {ze'a lo mentu be li
pano} and {ze'a lo nu do citka} considering that the x1 of both of
those descriptions is of the type "event".

I'm interested in how dikni helps to solve the "units per unit" issue
(which latro'a and I solved using eperimentals).

"by standard" isn't too great, but I think rather than killing them
all with fire that they should be replaced with possibly more useful
variants. It came up in #lojban when talking with Byron about {dukse},
in particular dukse3. It seems like something being too much in some
property *only* makes sense when there's either some reference
frame/standard/effect.

Indeed JVS sucks; anyone up for making JVS2 ? ;)

As for what I think about ka... hrm. I've got this page on the wiki
that I wrote some months ago; it still reflects what I think to a
pretty decent degree. In fact, one thing that I don't agree with
anymore is what ce'u subscripting does. In particular, I more strongly
advocate the use of ce'ai. Anyway, link:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Tsani's+Interpretations%3A+Abstractors .

Stance, and the relevant example, "you went from sitting to standing,"
is just binxo, I'd say. {.i do binxo lo ka zukte nagi'e sanli} but
chances are, we can imply that someone who acquires the property of
standing implicitly loses the property of sitting, simplifying like
so: {.i do binxo lo ka sanli}. I personally don't think that binxo
implies volition though ({lo srasu cu binxo lo ka crino}) maybe using
zukte is more appropriate: {.i do zukte lo ka binxo lo ka sanli} or a
tanru simplification: {.i do zukte co binxo co sanli}. But, we can
also just let volition be implicit, too. Anyway, the position of an
object or anything is just lo ka makau selzva ce'u. I don't really see
what this "stance" thing is about.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 8 July 2012 04:02, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:44:52 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>>
>> From my notes (brief summary to be expanded perhaps never):
>>
>> {tolcliva} is crap and you pretty much should never use it.
>> Agree to disagree on (or attempt to deprecate, or just say 'fuck it'
>> regarding) the weird vowel letterals.
>> Agree to disagree on whether time can be {clani} or {barda}.
>> We solved the "units per unit" issue with {dikni}, but may still have
>> other issues.
>> Kill with fire all of the 'by standard' places in favour of a BAI that
>> does the same thing.
>
> Pardon? Did you succeed in killing them?
>>
>> If we don't do the latter, switch the x3 and x4 of {mitre} so the standard
>> is in the x3 like every other measurement.
>> {muvgau} is perfectly acceptable for "moving my arms", but we still don't
>> have a word for "position" (re: Robin's baby words post about changing
>> position/stance).
>>
>>
>> Stuff we need to discuss tomorrow:
>> latro'a/tsani's idea of how {ka} works.
>> JVS sucks hairy balls (I'll get into more detail)
>>
>> Stuff we need to do tomorrow:
>> Play Microscope (or whatever it is)
>> Play Xendo
>> Record everybody doing one tongue-twister (I need this for a Lojban
>> promotional video)
>> Get naked and oily.
>>
>> ...okay, maybe not that last one.
>>
>> We have around 3.5 hours of video so far, which is going to take me for
>> freaking ever to edit.
>> Expect episodes and not one big thing.
>
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