Re: [lojban] Re: jbonunsla 2012: Post #2

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

I know, I know, Lindar. I do trust you all not to secretly redesign
the language over the course of one weekend. Also, I (and presumably
latro'a) don't expect any of you to like whatever cmavo we come up
with. They're usually unnecessary, but it's amusing to reflect of
whatever might possibly find its way into the language.

As for tense-encoded selbri, there're *gismu* that do this, so it's
already a part of the language. That is, if {facki} isn't {co'a djuno}
then I don't know what it is. {klamu'o} is a perfectly decent jvajvo
(mulkla, on the other hand, AWFUL, but hopefully no one will ever use
that).

FWIW, if someone should ask me {.i lo fasnu cu clani je'i barda} I'd
answer {na'i}.

On 8 July 2012 14:42, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh dear gods people! They were notes, not commandments handed down from the
> gods.
> I was mostly marking it down here because Robin asked me to.
>
> I *promise* you that we're not having a mini ACTA in here about Lojban.
> There are going to be lots of videos and shit posted up after the event.
> You will all get to have your say. You can all pitch a fit once that's done.
>
> Regarding my previous notes:
> 1. "Your friend is in the middle of leaving and walks back into the room to
> get his keys." - pretty much the only time to use {tolcliva}, otherwise
> {mo'u klama}. I personally really wish people wouldn't try to encode
> time-tense into the selbri as it's stylistically shitty and reeks of
> tense-conjugation in natlangs.
> 2. It's all opinion and we're going to discuss it more later once we
> actually start making these changes, which won't happen until AFTER the CLL
> is done.
> 3. Robin and I had a stylistic disagreement and we had agreed to not nitpick
> if he says {barda temci} and I say {clani temci}.
> 4. Ask Byron/Robin. I think it was like {mi dikni lo nu catra lo ka catra le
> nintadni kei lo cacra be li re} or {.i gonai do dunda le jdini mi gi mi
> dikni lo ka catra le pinfu be mi kei lo mentu be li cino}. Also, STOP MAKING
> NEW CMAVO. Use the existing language that we have before you come up with
> superfluous nonsense. Some of the words you've invented are perfectly valid
> and necessary, but when you're solution to any problem perceived, new or
> old, is to coin a new cmavo, you're clearly doing something wrong. Stop it,
> please. Present evidence that it *can't* be done with the existing
> vocabulary and grammar before you invent new words, because it looks like
> "Hey, let's coin a new cmavo for this!" is your first solution, otherwise
> we're just going to ignore it.
> 5. It's a discussion. We haven't done anything yet.
> 6. That...
> 7. Still need ideas on this one.
>
> Stuff we need to discuss tomorrow:
> 1. Still am going to do that at some point.
> 2. Y'all read way too much into things. I didn't say, "Discuss re-coding or
> replacing JVS.". If you want JVS2 then go code it and stop waiting on us to
> fix everything. I can promise you that JVS2 is not going to get an ounce of
> our attention until after CLL 1.1 is done. You are all welcome to accelerate
> either process using your own time and energy. I was going to bring up
> simple ways to manage it better and what our existing policies are on
> modifying/cleaning up entries and adding examples.
>
> *raaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeg*
>
> tl;dr Calm down. We're not breaking the language without you. Just be
> patient.
>
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