On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM, MorphemeAddict
<lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Ithkuil is not a Loglan derivative, indeed it's not even a loglang, although it is an engelang. And Ithkuil was never meant to be spoken by anyone. It's a proof-of-concept project.
For myself, if Lojban (or even Loglan) is 'good enough', then so is any natlang. I'd rather start from scratch, using knowledge gained from previous attempts, than continue learning or using a language that is merely 'good enough'.
stevo
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:11 AM, la gleki
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:31:30 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I would prefer we didn't have another split, myself. We have Loglan, Lojban, Gua/Spi, Ithkuil, and possibly other much less known derivatives already. Every time someone decides to start a new lojbau, everyone suffers. And regardless of what problems your chosen lojbau is, it isn't perfect. It never will be. Dividing our efforts just makes it so that the true goal of all these languages- to be /spoken/ by /people/- will never be accomplished.
The quest for perfection is a futile one. What we have with Lojban now is good. Granted, it could be better, but that will always be true. It was true of "LoCCan1", it's true of "LoCCan2", and it will be true of "LoCCan34234234234". Starting over from scratch isn't the solution. Yes, you may be able to make a new lojbau that doesn't have the problems you perceive in "LoCCanN-1", but by making it, you create a new divide.
If we want jbogugde to exist, if we want people to speak our language- whichever one we decide on- then what we need to do is not to make a new one whenever we see problems. We need to either find an acceptable solution /within/ our language, or we need to /deal with it/.
French is the third largest language on the internet. How many people do you think would bother to learn French if every region had their own, mutually incompatible dialects? Would English be nearly as pervasive as it is if British, Australian, South African, and U.S. English speakers couldn't understand each other?
To quote a rather famous saying, "Divided we fall, united we stand". I view LoCCan3, and any other split, as the worst possible thing that could happen to us as a whole.
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
pe'isai For me proposals like xorxes's proposal for connectives are acceptable.
pe'isai And Rosta's is not (mere relexing is even less acceptable). But I'll study it anyway if ey publishes it.
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