Re: [lojban] lujvo for "spelling"? (was Re: [lojban-beginners] How do you write "Eyjafjallajökull"? (a sentence from tatoeba))

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

For one thing, you don't want to be using me'o at all. Spelling isn't math.

The only way I know of to spell a word without using ce'o between each letter is with lo'u ... le'u:

lo'u by. .abu ry. dy. .abu le'u tadji lonu ciska lu barda li'u

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

I think we should have a lujvo for the relationship between a word and
its spelling.
Its definition could be
  "x1 is a spelling of word x2."

Currently, my best attempt at expressing that in lojban is
  {ko'e valsi fi'o lerfu porsi ko'a},
inspired by iesk (more ideas below). Am I missing a better possibility?

My current idea for a veljvo is {valsi ke lerfu porsi}, giving {vlakemlerpoi}
({vlalerpoi} being possibly a string of letters (as opposed to other
letterals)).

An important thing to consider is how the spelling would be expressed. The
straightforward representation of a {ce'o}-sequence of individual letterals
would give things like {me'o .e bu ce'o me'o .ybu li'o}, and these {ce'o me'o}
are distracting. CLL 17.2 suggests lerfu strings for the purpose of spelling.
I guess we could define the terjvo to be something like {me'o .ebu .ybu li'o}.

What do you think? Any suggestions?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

On 3 July 2012 11:46, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tried translating this one and failed.
> <How do you write "Eyjafjallajökull"?> actually means <How do you spell
> "Eyjafjallajökull"?> or <Please dictate the spelling of "Eyjafjallajökull">
> Any ideas?
>

On 3 July 2012 12:16, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> ma tadji lonu ciska zo'oi.Eyjafjallajökull.
>
> Or without using "experimental" cmavo:
>
> ma tadji lonu ciska zoi by. Eyjafjallajökull .by

On 3 July 2012 17:47, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
> .i .u'i ki'a xu zoi zoi. Eyjafjallajökull .zoi se ciska fi'o za'e lerfyporsi
> .e bu ce'o .y bu ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o fy. ce'o jy. ce'o .a bu ce'o ly.
> ce'o ly. ce'o .a bu ce'o jy. ce'o tei .o bu relmoc. bu foi ce'o ky. ce'o .u
> bu ce'o ly. ce'o ly.
>

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