Re: [lojban] Gender, yet again.

[vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>]

On 07/12/2012 03:47 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> We already have gismu or lujvo for the meanings of "gender" that are 
> salient for medicine and science.

What are they?



On 07/12/2012 06:41 AM, .arpis. wrote:
> What if we discarded the idea of a word for "gender" and coined a 
> term for something that subsumes the concept. I don't particularly 
> like {ceinse} for being too much like {cinse}, but that's a small 
> detail.

{cinse} was close to what I wanted, so I created {ceinse} as a
"corrected version". (I'm assuming that redefining a standard gismu is
not going to happen.)

> How about: x1 is the internal subjective identity of x2 according to 
> x3
> 
> Thus {tu'a lo nanmu mi ceinse} would be "I'm male-gendered" (I'm 
> putting a tu'a in there because otherwise I feel like I'm saying 
> something more like {da poi nanmu zo'u da mi ceinse}, which doesn't 
> make sense.) and {tu'a lo tinbe mi ceinse} could be used for "I'm a 
> submissive" or {tu'a lo arxokuna mi mi ceinse} for "I self-identify 
> as a raccoon." (e.g. a furry).

That's actually too *narrow* -- it doesn't allow us to talk about how we
gender inanimate objects and each other. (E.g., <http://is.gd/HXdBMy>,
<http://is.gd/aFzoSg>.)

Also, we already have {sevzi} for that.

{tu'a le ninmu cu sevzi mi} isn't bad for gender identity, though.



On 07/12/2012 08:37 AM, .arpis. wrote:
> Besides, if we use such a general word, we could form a tanru/lujvo 
> between {cinse} and it for the more conventional meaning of 
> "gender".

This overlooks one of my major gripes with {cinse}, which is that
officially it also includes sexual orientation.

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