Re: [lojban] {da} and abstractions

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

On 12 July 2012 21:16, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 July 2012 20:13, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The useful interpretation of {lu'i ci lo mu nanmu} is "the set
>>>> composed of three of the five men"
>>>
>>> But there isn't one such set, there are 10 of them. Is it any one of
>>> them, all of them?
>>
>> .a'u I'd never really considered that aspect of it. I always assumed
>> the three men to be those that the speaker had in mind, given the
>> nature of {zo'e} implicitly used by {lo}. Of course, that may not be
>> the most useful interpretation.
>
> The nature of "zo'e" concerns the five men, but says nothing about
> which three of them are involved. You could have "ko'a goi lo mu nanmu
> [...] lu'i ci ko'a" with the same issue arising.
>

I'm under the impression that this problem is on a higher level than
simple LAhE. Really, it concerns all quantifiers. Which of the five
elements in context are being referred to when we say that we're
referring to two of them, as is the case in {re lo mu broda}.

> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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