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Re: [lojban] Afterthought TAG Termset Connectives



On 30 July 2012 15:26, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
Do these exist?
The forethought version is grammatical:

{.i nu'i ca gi zo .u'i ny nu'u gi zo .i'i cy selsku}

Considering that afterthought TAG connectives take the form of <[connective] TAG bo> where [connective] is the connective of the appropriate connective selma'o, e.g. {mi .e ca bo do}, I would presume that the afterthought termset connective form would be <[sumti] pe'e je TAG bo [sumti]> where [sumti] is >=1 sumti. Unfortunately, of course, this does not parse in jbofi'e.
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Returning to the main point of this post, considering that termsets is a part of the language that everybody loves to hate, it's unlikely that afterthought tag termset connectives will ever see the light of day, but I don't think that the cmavo required for termsets are going to disappear any time soon (at least not before mekso, for which there remains proponents.) Therefore, I see no reason why this discrepancy between forethought and afterthought should exist. (Not to mention the impossible non-logical bridi-tail afterthought connective, which I wanted to use just today...) Could it be that afterthought tag termset connection was impossible due to a parser limitation? What with the PEG being capable of all sorts of things that the older grammars weren't, could this be implemented in the current grammar? As far as I can tell, making {pe'e JA TAG bo} grammatical breaks no usage at all.

It is quite easy to implement it with the PEG, but in my opinion the pure afterthought form feels a bit unpalatable. Whereas the forethought form is, e.g.,

  nu'i ca ge mi my gi do dy klama

the afterthought form would be

  mi ce'e my pe'e je ca bo do ce'e dy klama

Another possibility would be to mix these two to get

  nu'i mi my pe'e je ca bo do dy klama

i.e.

  NUhI terms PEhE JA [tag BO] terms [NUhU]

which is presently my favorite and might require a wee bit less mental gymnastics to grok than either one of the pure forms. Many things are possible, but another matter is whether we want to have them -- and when.

mu'o mi'e veion

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