This quest seems based on the idea that Lojban achieves cultural neutrality by permitting a speaker of any language to speak Lojban in the style of his native language, putting in what he normally would and leaving out what he normally would not (or could not) use. This goal has been partially realized in a number of areas, like tense/aspect, for example, but surely not in all. I suppose it is possible in Lojban to reproduce the effect of Swahili word classes by frequent tanru all over the place, but it doesn't seem to be of much point, since the classes are semantically insignificant (Kilimanjaro is not a little hill, for example, despite the 'ki' prefix). The same applies in other cases, mostly relevant to the parallel thread about animateness. For free word order the case is more complex,
since that affects parsing. Lojban is said to be uniquely parsed (in a non-trivial way) and this relies ultimately on the the uniqueness of the parsing of FOL, which involves positive RHE markers (or counters). Lojban has always had some RHE problems, most getting solved some after they appear, but new ones still turning up from time to time (and guarantee that more will not). To split a construction whose RHE is a possible issue (a complex sumti, say) is to open a mare's nest of new problems. We can easily reorder sumti any which way and the order of modifiers and modified within a sumti. To go beyond that seems a needless bowing to an uncommon style at the cost of a major characteristic of the language.
From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Ancient Greek, free word order and the same FA two times in a bridi
Am 04.08.2012 09:05, schrieb Gleki
Arxokuna:
Ancient Greek and Russian have free word order. It
means that instead of "Yesterday I saw a big dog" you can
literally say "Big yesterday saw dog I" due to case markers.
Lojban currently can't split sumti apart.
{mi viska lo barda gerku} = {fe lo barda ku viska fe lo
gerku fa mi}?
Therefore I suggest that if we have the same FA more
than once in a bridi it means that we can join them back
with {je}. So
{fe lo barda viska fe lo gerku fa mi} = {mi viska lo
barda je gerku}.
If you need to use joi, fa'u, jo'u or other
connectives such partitioning is not possible.
pei?
I don't like using logical connectives for this. How about no'u?
fe lo barda fa mi viska fe lo gerku
=
mi viska lo barda no'u lo gerku
"I saw something big, which is a dog."
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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