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Re: [lojban] {lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode} vs. {brode no'oi broda} vs. Lesniewski vs. NLP



On 11 August 2012 05:42, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone tell me the difference between 

{lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode}
What is more interesting that latros entered a new cmavo {no'oi} which is the same as {noi} but applied to selbri.
And {lo=zo'e noi}.
If so what's the difference between
{lo broda cu brode} vs. {lo brode cu broda} vs. {broda je brode} vs. {brode no'oi broda}?


It has to do with quantification, emphasis, and context. {lo broda} refers to a broda that is presumably already in context, and for which it is already somewhat known to be a broda, given the nature of the underlying mechanism {zo'e noi broda}. However, {lo broda cu brode} and {broda je brode} are drastically different. The former says that there are some broda (that are known to be broda and that in context) that are also brode, whereas {broda je brode} is explicitly assigning the properties broda and brode to something in context. In both cases, there is something in context, but in the {je} example, it is not presumed that the thing in context being a broda is known by the listener, not to mention that the {lo} form creates a sort of symbol that loosely always refers to the same thing(s).

Anyway, the implicit je thing is something that I personally dislike about loksan, if that's what this is about.

mu'o
 
Next.
In Lesniewski's logic "a ε b" means "Earth is a planet", "Alice is a human" but not vice versa.
In Natural Language Processing there is a predicate "instance-of" so that "New York is a city" turns into "New York is an-instance-of a city".

How should I understand the same stuff in Lojban?

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