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Re: [lojban] Sounding of the {ROTATE} gismu (was Direction of Rotation)



On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
So Robin made his decision about the place structure.
Now let's find some sounding for it?

How do major (and minor!) languages express this "clockwise" concept?

I can't find anything special. 
1. "clock" metaphor.
2. Earth rotation
3. Screws

So 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise
Typical nuts, screws, bolts, and bottle caps are tightened (moved away from the observer) clockwise and loosened (moved towards the observer) counterclockwise, in accordance with the right-hand rule.
In English screw, nut, bolt
In Russian винт, гайка, болт [vint, gaika, bolt]
In Chinese 螺丝，螺母，螺栓 [Luósī, luómǔ, luóshuān]
In Spanish  tornillo, tuerca, perno
In Arabic المسمار، والجوز، والترباس
And I suggest
{bolto} = BOLT + LuO + TOrnillo
It's not my final decision, though.
<rlpowell> my instinct is to object, but I don't think I have any actual good reasons, so: sure, that looks fine. :)
<rlpowell> (that is: using "screw" to mean "rotation" seems odd to me, but I understand your arguments)

Another option is the Earth. Which is even romantic. But why should we stick to the North? Just because we are living in the north hemisphere? What australian jbopre would say?

So these are my thoughts.
.a'o you find other solutions.

As far as the word to use, {bolto} seems fine to me. Heck, we could use more ends-in-o words in Lojban, anyway.

More pertinent to me is the actual place structure, definition, of the word. My opinion is that we definitely need a place for identification of the 'top', and there may be occasions where there is a need to specify the rotational axis, but I expect most often not, one of the two directions should be the keyword itself- I don't care which one- with the other being {to'e bolto}, and I don't think the word needs anything else.

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