Re: [lojban] Direction of Rotation

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:29:33 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
Attention please!
I was trying to create a word for "clockwise"/"counterclockwise".
solar metaphor is good because this is what ancient people used.
It's global and universal for the whole planet.

How is this metaphor adequate? The sun always rises in the east, but how do you distinguish north from south?
In northern hemisphere the Sun goes east-south-west.

In southern hemisphere the Sun goes west-north-east.
We have gismu for north and south, by the way.

In both hemispheres the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Only the north/south is different.

You totally ignored the question. How do you distinguish north from south? I know which is which by convention, but that doesn't help to distinguish them in a mirror.

stevo

stevo

As for "turn to the left/right" I didn't do any work.

As yesterday Robin said that "rotate in general" without specifying clockwise or counterclockwise was also a concept then we needed.

So for now I'm not proposing any new gismu.
{bolto,nanju,berju} are obsolete.

Let's get back to discussing places once again.

May be we can revise my suggestion of {carna fi lo pritu/zunle} with modified x2 once again?
On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:19:24 AM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, djandus <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He seems to be advocating the usage of two words, one for
> "turning" and one for "rotating", which I advocate.

Could someone explain why the same word can't be used for both? The
main difference seems to be that "turn" usually doesn't require a full
revolution, while "rotate" usually requires many revolutions. but
can't that be distinguished by some other means? We probably need a
word for "revolution" ("carlai"?) then we can specify the fraction or
number of revolutions involved with a spatial tense. Also "turn" is
often volitional, while "rotate" isn't. Is that part of the proposed
difference?

"zulcarna" and "pritycarna" have been used before for laevorotation
and dextrorotation. Why are they inadequate?

I found a couple of discussions about it from prehistoric times (1995 and 2000):

http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00116.html

http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4728

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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