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Re: [lojban] {ko}, {xa'e}, {.e'u}, {e'o}





On Saturday, August 18, 2012 11:37:31 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
It is {e'o/pe'u}; it's also {ko}

{ko e'o muvgau lo victerlu'i vi'opei .tit.}

{ko} represents the part of the meaning that indicates that the listener is expected to be active in making the sentence true.
 {do e'o muvgau ...} - is it grammatical?

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:48 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:26:23 PM UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:
"Go and take out the trash, will you, honey?" is an imperative. If you tell me that it's also an order, I'll concede that we have different definitions of "order".
It sounds like {.e'o/pe'u} 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .arpis. <rpglover...@gmail.com> wrote:
That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, with no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.

Hunh? An imperative is necessarily an order. That's the definition of imperative. 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your commander whereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o

"Insubmission" is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

stevo 


On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz:
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such
> things as "let's go"?

-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as if
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.

     xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
     "The dogs shall leave!"
     "May the dogs leave!"
     "I want the dogs to leave."

Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be
enough for cohortatives at least.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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