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Re: [lojban] {ko}, {xa'e}, {.e'u}, {e'o}





On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 1:26 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
"Go and take out the trash, will you, honey?" is an imperative. If you tell me that it's also an order, I'll concede that we have different definitions of "order".

Okay, I concede that your example is of a request or suggestion, rather than an order, despite its imperative. 
But in general, imperatives and orders overlap a lot. 
OTOH, I know that in Russian, sometimes--especially in the military--orders are given in the infinitive. 

stevo


On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
That is absolutely false. {ko} is simply the word for an imperative mood, with no other implications; it's not necessarily an order.

Hunh? An imperative is necessarily an order. That's the definition of imperative. 

On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
{.e'u} and {ko} largely differ in the fact that after insubmission after {ko} you might be executed by your commander whereas after {.e'u} you would probably survive. zo'o

"Insubmission" is a new and useful word for me. Thanks for using it!

stevo 


On Friday, August 17, 2012 4:24:31 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
Am 17.08.2012 13:47, schrieb Paul Predkiewicz:
> but {xa'e} is a rafsi of {xance}, how would you use it to say such
> things as "let's go"?

-xa'e- is the rafsi, but xa'e as a cmavo is a LAhE (even though I wish
it was UI) that makes it so that the sumti it's used on is treated as if
it was ko, i.e. a third-person command.

     xa'e lo gerku cu cliva
     "The dogs shall leave!"
     "May the dogs leave!"
     "I want the dogs to leave."

Whether it's very useful is another question. {.e'u} will usually be
enough for cohortatives at least.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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