Re: [lojban] Re: Direction of Rotation

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 6:03 AM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:25:56 UTC-7, selpa'i wrote:

I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be used as is.

Oh..... kay....

 

I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an attachment.
I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough.
Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to follow.

Yeah, even if I wasn't drunk posting I couldn't understand that huge body of text. If using a basic word requires collegiate or university level maths/physics then I'll drop every fucking account right now and go learn Volapuk just to spite all of you. If you can't phrase it so a drunk / child can understand it, your idea is bad and you should feel bad. zo'o

While I am in agreement with Lindar on this ^ point, it doesn't really matter, because while you (selpa'i) may have indeed developed a means of describing rotational motion from within the confines of the current definition of carna, you completely overlook the fact that carna is sometimes used to mean "x1 turns to x3", which is a different kind of rotating, and is the REASON we need at least one new word.

From my quick glance through the corpus, in fact, carna is used to mean that as much as 2 out of 3 times. Since any change to the language needs to have minimum (and preferably no) impact on past usage, if it is found that the "turn" usage is the prevalent one, then our course of action is, obviously, to redefine carna as "turn" and to create at least one word for the type of rotational motion that cares about axes and direction. And since the current definition of carna isn't exactly clear, as evidenced by Lindar's comments and your need for an extremely technical description, then the new word(s) should not have that definition, but instead one that is readily understandable.

So, selpa'i, can you translate "Gerald turned to the North and waved." for us, using carna?

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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