Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any real diffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)?

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

It seems to me that many instances of {a'o} can be rephrased as {ba'a .au}:

.a'o do klama
I hope that you would come.

ba'a .au do klama
I anticipate* & desire that you would come.

(* In the evidential sense of "to see what might happen", not the
emotionally loaded sense of "to expect with pleasure".)

From my understanding, {ba'a} refers to the temporal location of
whatever information source that would prove or disprove the bridi
(hence its evidential status), not to the temporal location of the
event described by the bridi (for which there are PU). By {ba'a do
klama}, I'm saying that the truth of {do klama} would be revealed to
me, if at all, in the future (i.e. I'm yet to come across verificatory
information); and, by adding {au}, I'm expressing my desire for {do
klama}. (Note also that {ba'a} doesn't adequately express subjective
certainty or objective probability, for which there are {ju'o} and
{la'a}.) Then, {ba'a} is compatible with non-future events, which is
the case of "hope" too, as in "I hope they are already working on it",
which in my opinion can be translated using {ba'a .au}.

{au} seems intrinsic to {a'o}, and I can't think of a meaningful case
of {a'o .aunai broda}, to answer Joey's question. (But {a'onai .au
broda} is easily conceivable. When there's no hope for your coming but
I still desire that, I can say {a'onai .au do klama}.)


mu'o

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