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Re: [lojban] Revising mu'ei and CAhA once again. Possible worlds.



On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:34:20 PM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote:
Gleki Arxokuna, On 14/08/2012 18:23:
> I wish Robin started using {mu'ei} again but
> it's really when usage decides. May be human brain just doesn't want
> to deal with A-level at such level of precision. May be {ka'e/na
> ka'e/ka'ei/bia'i} or even {bi'ai} is enough.

The evidence of natural language is to the contrary. The could/probably/would contrast is the some/most/all contrast.

> The use of {da'i} is interesting. For a logical language it's
> completely deplorable, because there's a complete mismatch between
> the lexicosyntactic form and the logical form, and no explicit rule
> about how to get from one to the other -- it works by mere stipulated
> magic. But it caught on among those impatient to be actively using
> the language, and nicely illustrated the fundamental incompatibility
> between a loglang and a language governed by the principle of "let
> usage decide".
>
> May be we can determine the most common usage of {da'i} and redefine
> it from the point of view of A/M/F-level scheme? May be we should
> perform analysis of Lojban corpus and tatoeba sentences?

{da'i} is in UI, isn't it? So it doesn't have the right grammatical properties.
It is in UI. If I "discovered" A and F levels why not bind {da'i} to A-level i.e. make it a synonym of {ka'e} but without changing the grammar and selmaho
and {da'inai} would be "equal" to {ca'a}.


The purest ways to proceed would be either (1) to define things so that they're logical and regular, regardless of usage, i.e. basically just implement all xorxes's proposals, or (2) to treat the language as an inchoate natlang, a la Lojbab, and abduce grammar out of usage as linguistics of natlangs does.

--And.

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