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Am 02.10.2012 10:26, schrieb la
gleki:
That is the current standard, yes. An omitted ce'u was originally intended to fill any place that made sense, just like ke'a. I think I prefer the current standard of ce'u filling the first empty slot.
Depending on how much support this convention has, it will be.
By ce'u-izing, do you mean making any abtraction that requires you to refer to an outside sumti a ka-abstraction? If so, tsani would certainly be very happy. I see two slight disadvantages to this approach and one advantage. I don't know which one overweighs. The advantage is that a lot of "nonsense" sentences become easier to identify as being "nonsense", e.g. "mi kakne lo nu ta pelxu" wouldn't happen anymore. However, even such sentences can easily be made to make sense by saying that the kakne1 appears in some other place, probably do'e. Of course, this is an indicator that ce'u was the right thing to begin with, so this is not a strong counter-position. Personally, the disadvantages I see are mainly these two: 1. ka-abstractions are not events, so they are much more awkward to use / incompatible with other places that don't accept ka. "lo se zukte be do mi pluka" becomes wrong when zukte2 is a ka. 2. Too many ce'u. What do you do with nested ka-abstractions and ce'u? It causes some additional work in some cases to indicate which of the ce'u one is currently using. Subscripting is not very elegant in my opinion. (This becomes worse when ce'u can also appear in a nu-abstraction, which is one reason I'm not sure about it). This wouldn't be an extremely common problem, but it's potentially there. (Relatedly, I'm also not a huge fan of boolean ka, but that might not be of importance here.)
tsani already answered this, but note that it's usually not accepted to use ce'u in a nu. Personally, I'm still undecided about ce'u in a nu, however. In any case, you'd usually either have "lo ka ce'u" or "lo nu [vo'a]". mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo doị mèlbi mlenì'u .i do càtlu ki'u ma fe la xàmpre ŭu .i do tìnsa càrmi gi'e sìrji se tàrmi .i taị bo pu cìtka lo gràna ku-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. |