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Re: [lojban] Novel written system that parallels the logic of Lojban?
I've wanted to explore a system like that for a a Signed Exact
Lojban signing/writing system, since the 'alphabet' of signed
language is so much larger.
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban+Sign+Language
mi'e .alyn.
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:00:00PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> But I disagree that it is similar. *Larlermorna (which I use for my gmail
> avatar) is based on letters/phonemes, as are all the alternate
> orthographies. *Charlicopter was suggesting a system built around
> "Lojbanic structure, syntax, logic, etc." *Completely*different idea.
> * * * --gejyspa
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <[1]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Turniansky
> <[2]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> * Actually, Jonathan, I would have dismissed it too, as "oh, great,
> another suggestion for a writing system" *But this one was actually
> different. *It's suggesting that rather than a simply one-to-one
> substitution of the existing orthography to another letter-based
> system, that we basically give each brivla a single symbol, based on
> things such as place value, so that, for example, each of the danlu
> gismu might look similar, since they have similar terbri. * It's an
> intriguing suggestion, but I doubt there's much support for it.
> * * * * * * *--gejyspa
>
> I wasn't dismissing it. I told him to Google larlermorna because that
> writing system is similar to what he described.
>
> I agree that there isn't likely going to be much support for such a
> system.
> *
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jonathan Jones
> <[3]eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Google "larlermorna".
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 4:43 PM, [4]charlicopter@gmail.com
> <[5]lanternsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone,
> This is my first time visiting the forums...
> My curiosity currently lies in the possibility of a written system
> that could be developed around Lojban that respects its logical
> nature.
> As far as I can tell in my rudimentary beginnings as a student of
> Lojban: The language is designed around phonetics in a similar way
> to Japanese. by that, I mean that the language uses predictable
> and consistent combinations of vowel and consonant phonetics in
> the structure of the constituent word-forms.
>
> Preposition: In written Lojban, what if you used a character
> system similar to Japanese hiragana and katakana:
> [6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana* &*
> [7]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana
> Japanese Katakana and Hiragana are based on characters which hail
> from ancient cultural influences, but what if you started fresh
> and designed characters around some kind of logical analysis of
> Lojbanic structure, syntax, logic, etc. such that the characters
> are themselves always internally consistent and logical?
> Pictorally speaking, you have many variables to draw upon: stroke
> length, angle, curvature, dots, rotation/orientation, etc.
> certainly as many variables as are needed to accurately represent
> the phonetics, syntax etc. of the language. In this way, entire
> gismu might have a chance of being reduced to single characters
> which LOOK and FLOW as logically as they behave.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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> 1. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> 2. mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com
> 3. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> 4. mailto:charlicopter@gmail.com
> 5. mailto:lanternsmith@gmail.com
> 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana
> 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana
> 8. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RSMpezF6avUJ
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